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#1 March 6, 2008 08:19:31

Pierre J.
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Hi Sebasitian,

On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:08 AM, Sebastian Bergmann
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> Last year PHPUnit participated in the GSoC under the umbrella of PHP. Is
> this possible this year as well?
>
> I discussed this issue with Marcus and Chris DiBona at the mentor summit
> and the consensus was that PHPUnit by itself is too small to participate
> as a mentoring organization and that PHPUnit should continue to "take
> away" a slot from PHP.

I don't think it is fair in regard of the other PHP unit tests
project. PHPUnit already has a high visibility.

> One of the ideas is to implement a parser for gcov data files in PHP
> to integrate the code coverage information for PHP and PHP extensions
> into PHPUnit's code coverage report. This could be helpful for
> developers that write both C-level and PHP-level code for their PHP
> applications.

To add generic testing features to PHP that can be used by any PHP
projects or tests framework sounds like a great idea.

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#2 March 6, 2008 08:39:57

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Pierre Joye schrieb:PHPUnit already has a high visibility.Huh? This is not about improving the visibility of PHPUnit.

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#3 March 6, 2008 08:46:01

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On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Sebastian Bergmann
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> Pierre Joye schrieb:
>
> > PHPUnit already has a high visibility.
>
> Huh? This is not about improving the visibility of PHPUnit.

I know but still.That's a side comment.

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#4 March 6, 2008 18:21:24

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I think the real question we have to ask is "Do we consider PHPUnit"
standard for PHP Development Unit Testing ?

If so, PHPUnit gets a grant (or a chance to get one under the PHP
Project umbrella)

If not, then it doesn't.

I consider PHPUnit the standard for Unit Testing in PHP, now what do
you all think ?


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#5 March 6, 2008 20:17:39

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On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:20 PM, David Coallier <> wrote:
> I think the real question we have to ask is "Do we consider PHPUnit"
> standard for PHP Development Unit Testing ?
>
> If so, PHPUnit gets a grant (or a chance to get one under the PHP
> Project umbrella)
>
> If not, then it doesn't.
>
> I consider PHPUnit the standard for Unit Testing in PHP, now what do
> you all think ?

I don't consider it as a standard, maybe the leading tool yes (no idea
if it is or not), but not a standard. There is other good unit testing
tools out there (lime, simpletest to cite two). My point was that even
if phpUnit may be the leading unit tests tool for php, it is not a
php.net project. That applies to other PHP frameworks, applications,
etc.

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#6 March 6, 2008 20:23:05

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On 06.03.2008, at 21:17, Pierre Joye wrote:On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 7:20 PM, David Coallier <> wrote:I think the real question we have to ask is "Do we consider PHPUnit"
standard for PHP Development Unit Testing ?

If so, PHPUnit gets a grant (or a chance to get one under the PHP
Project umbrella)

If not, then it doesn't.

I consider PHPUnit the standard for Unit Testing in PHP, now what do
you all think ?I don't consider it as a standard, maybe the leading tool yes (no idea
if it is or not), but not a standard. There is other good unit testing
tools out there (lime, simpletest to cite two). My point was that even
if phpUnit may be the leading unit tests tool for php, it is not a
php.net project. That applies to other PHP frameworks, applications,
etc.I think in general we can say the following order applies:

1) php internals (php-src, qa, docs etc)
2) any other php.net subproject
3) other php projectsif a proposal falls in 3) it needs to be really good and all theprosals left in 1) and 2) need to be pretty unexciting in order to beaccepted.this is essentially how things have been implicitly handled from whati have seen in the past years. and so far we have had stuff in 3)manage to "sneak" in this way.regards,
Lukas

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#7 March 6, 2008 20:40:58

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Hi All,


> 1) php internals (php-src, qa, docs etc)
> 2) any other php.net subproject
> 3) other php projects
>
> if a proposal falls in 3) it needs to be really good and all the
> prosals left in 1) and 2) need to be pretty unexciting in order to be
> accepted.

And I fully agree.

By the way, I created the GSOC namespace and the 2008 page. Feel free
to update it :)

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#8 March 6, 2008 20:52:39

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On 06.03.2008, at 21:40, Pierre Joye wrote:Hi All,1) php internals (php-src, qa, docs etc)
2) any other php.net subproject
3) other php projects

if a proposal falls in 3) it needs to be really good and all the
prosals left in 1) and 2) need to be pretty unexciting in order to be
accepted.And I fully agree.

By the way, I created the GSOC namespace and the 2008 page. Feel free
to update it :)http://wiki.php.net/gsoc/2008regards,
Lukas

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#9 March 11, 2008 05:25:32

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On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 5:21 PM, Lukas Kahwe Smith <> wrote:
> 1) php internals (php-src, qa, docs etc)
> 2) any other php.net subproject
> 3) other php projects

just to remember last year we had 4 projects in (jaws, phpunit,
doctrine, xdebug), 1 in (PEAR) and 2 in (docs and php-src).
the year before things weren't so different. given that info I would
say there is a high possibility to have a PHPUnit project accepted
again this year.

The key is the number of proposals. The more proposals we have to our
organization, the more slots we will get...

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