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#1 Dec. 13, 2010 23:18:11

Andrew R.
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Dear mentors,

I am looking for a sponsor for my package "javacsv".

* Package name : javacsv
Version : 2.0+dfsg-1
Upstream Author : Bruce Dunwiddie <br***@*svreader.com>
* URL :http://sourceforge.net/projects/javacsv/* License : LGPL
Section : java

It builds these binary packages:
libjavacsv-java - Simple Java library to read and write CSV
libjavacsv-java-doc - Simple Java library to read and write CSV
(documentation)

The package appears to be lintian clean.

The upload would fix these bugs: 607004

My motivation for maintaining this package is: It is a dependency of
Gephi which I am working on packaging.

The package can be found on mentors.debian.net:
- URL:http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/j/javacsv- Source repository: deb-srchttp://mentors.debian.net/debianunstable
main contrib non-free
- dgethttp://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/j/javacsv/javacsv_2.0+dfsg-1.dscIt is also available in the pkg-java svn repository on svn.debian.org:
svn://svn.debian.org/svn/pkg-java/trunk/javacsvhttp://svn.debian.org/wsvn/pkg-java/trunk/javacsvI would be glad if someone uploaded this package for me.

Kind regards
Andrew Ross


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#2 Dec. 14, 2010 12:18:49

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On 2010-12-13 23:53, Andrew Ross wrote:
> Dear mentors,
>
> I am looking for a sponsor for my package "javacsv".
>
>
>
>
> I would be glad if someone uploaded this package for me.
>
> Kind regards
> Andrew Ross
>
>

Hey Andrew

I had a look at your package and generally it looks good, there are just
a few things that needs to be addressed. :)

To use ${java:Recommends} for doc packages (in fact using it in
general) requires javahelper >= 0.32~ (the ~ is to allow backports).

Any particular reason why you are using GPL-3 for packaging? It is
generally a good idea either to use the same license as upstream or at
least a license that is more permission so that upstream can use things
from the package in their package without having to change their license.

The upstream license is LGPL-2.1 or any later; the copyright file
itself does not clarify this (it just says LGPL-2.1).

I think you might want to use README.source instead of
README.Debian-source? I cannot find any mention of README.Debian-source
in the policy, but README.source is mentioned here.

Finally, have you mentioned the lack of license in the removed file to
upstream?

~Niels

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#3 Dec. 14, 2010 20:27:15

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On 14/12/10 12:16, Niels Thykier wrote:
> On 2010-12-13 23:53, Andrew Ross wrote:
>> Dear mentors,
>
>> I am looking for a sponsor for my package "javacsv".
>
>>
>
>
>> I would be glad if someone uploaded this package for me.
>
>> Kind regards
>> Andrew Ross
>
>
>
> Hey Andrew
>
> I had a look at your package and generally it looks good, there are just
> a few things that needs to be addressed. :)
>
> To use ${java:Recommends} for doc packages (in fact using it in
> general) requires javahelper >= 0.32~ (the ~ is to allow backports).
>
> Any particular reason why you are using GPL-3 for packaging? It is
> generally a good idea either to use the same license as upstream or at
> least a license that is more permission so that upstream can use things
> from the package in their package without having to change their license.
>
> The upstream license is LGPL-2.1 or any later; the copyright file
> itself does not clarify this (it just says LGPL-2.1).
>
> I think you might want to use README.source instead of
> README.Debian-source? I cannot find any mention of README.Debian-source
> in the policy, but README.source is mentioned here.
>
> Finally, have you mentioned the lack of license in the removed file to
> upstream?
>
> ~Niels
>
> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-readmesourceHi Niels,

Thanks for looking at the package. I've updated the javahelper
dependency according to your suggestion.

I had no reason to use GPL-3 for packaging, so I've changed it to
LGPL-3. I've also updated the copyright file to mention "LGPL-2.1 or any
later".

Not sure why I had README.Debian-source rather than README.source, but
I've changed that.

The lack of license is reported upstream - I've added the tracker ID to
the README.source file.

I've updated everything in svn, and also updated the package on
mentors.debian.net. If you'd prefer me to prepare it as version
2.0+dfsg-2 then let me know.

Many thanks,
Andrew


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#4 Dec. 15, 2010 14:20:04

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On 2010-12-14 21:08, Andrew Ross wrote:
> On 14/12/10 12:16, Niels Thykier wrote:
>>
>>
>> http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-source.html#s-readmesource>
> Hi Niels,
>

Hi

>
> I had no reason to use GPL-3 for packaging, so I've changed it to
> LGPL-3. I've also updated the copyright file to mention "LGPL-2.1 or any
> later".
>

I admit being pedantic here; but there is potentially still an issue
here (two actually). If upstream were to take code from the packaging,
they would still have to bump their LGPL-2.1 to LGPL-3, since the
packaging is LGPL-3. Also the packaging license does not have the "or
any later" so upstream or anyone deriving from it would be unable to
switch to a LGPL-4 (if such a license is ever created).

If this is what you intended, then that is fine. I just want to be sure
that you are aware of the consequence here.

>
>
> Many thanks,
> Andrew
>

Other than that, I do not have any further comments. :)

~Niels

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#5 Dec. 15, 2010 18:54:13

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On 15/12/10 14:18, Niels Thykier wrote:
> On 2010-12-14 21:08, Andrew Ross wrote:
>
>>
>> I had no reason to use GPL-3 for packaging, so I've changed it to
>> LGPL-3. I've also updated the copyright file to mention "LGPL-2.1 or any
>> later".
>
>
> I admit being pedantic here; but there is potentially still an issue
> here (two actually). If upstream were to take code from the packaging,
> they would still have to bump their LGPL-2.1 to LGPL-3, since the
> packaging is LGPL-3. Also the packaging license does not have the "or
> any later" so upstream or anyone deriving from it would be unable to
> switch to a LGPL-4 (if such a license is ever created).
>
> If this is what you intended, then that is fine. I just want to be sure
> that you are aware of the consequence here.
>

Pedantry is fine! I've updated the package in both svn and on mentors to
use LGPL-2.1 or later.

Thanks,
Andy


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#6 Dec. 15, 2010 20:55:55

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On 2010-12-15 19:37, Andrew Ross wrote:
> On 15/12/10 14:18, Niels Thykier wrote:
>> On 2010-12-14 21:08, Andrew Ross wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I had no reason to use GPL-3 for packaging, so I've changed it to
>>> LGPL-3. I've also updated the copyright file to mention "LGPL-2.1 or any
>>> later".
>>
>>
>> I admit being pedantic here; but there is potentially still an issue
>> here (two actually). If upstream were to take code from the packaging,
>> they would still have to bump their LGPL-2.1 to LGPL-3, since the
>> packaging is LGPL-3. Also the packaging license does not have the "or
>> any later" so upstream or anyone deriving from it would be unable to
>> switch to a LGPL-4 (if such a license is ever created).
>>
>> If this is what you intended, then that is fine. I just want to be sure
>> that you are aware of the consequence here.
>>
>
> Pedantry is fine! I've updated the package in both svn and on mentors to
> use LGPL-2.1 or later.
>
> Thanks,
> Andy
>

Uploaded, thanks for your contribution.

Note I altered the wording in d/copyright - I figured it was not worth
another email exchange. :)

~Niels

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#7 Dec. 24, 2010 14:28:20

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On Wed Dec 15 21:53, Niels Thykier wrote:
> >> I admit being pedantic here; but there is potentially still an issue
> >> here (two actually). If upstream were to take code from the packaging,
> >> they would still have to bump their LGPL-2.1 to LGPL-3, since the
> >> packaging is LGPL-3. Also the packaging license does not have the "or
> >> any later" so upstream or anyone deriving from it would be unable to
> >> switch to a LGPL-4 (if such a license is ever created).
> >>
> >> If this is what you intended, then that is fine. I just want to be sure
> >> that you are aware of the consequence here.
> >>
> >
> > Pedantry is fine! I've updated the package in both svn and on mentors to
> > use LGPL-2.1 or later.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Andy
> >
>
> Uploaded, thanks for your contribution.
>
> Note I altered the wording in d/copyright - I figured it was not worth
> another email exchange. :)

Sorry to be late to the party, but is this any different to libcsv-java, which
I've already packaged?

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#8 Dec. 24, 2010 14:44:35

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On Fri Dec 24 14:36, Andrew Ross wrote:
> Hi Matt,
>
> Sorry, it appears it's the same package. I'd searched for the file
> javacsv.jar in the archives, but didn't find it because your package
> builds csv.jar whereas the upstream build process builds javacsv.jar.
>
> Is there a way to remove my package from the pending uploads queue?

Email ftp-master, I think. If you want to take over maintenance of this package
I'm more than happy for you to do so.

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#9 Dec. 24, 2010 15:00:10

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On 24/12/10 14:00, Matthew Johnson wrote:On Wed Dec 15 21:53, Niels Thykier wrote:I admit being pedantic here; but there is potentially still an issue
here (two actually). If upstream were to take code from the packaging,
they would still have to bump their LGPL-2.1 to LGPL-3, since the
packaging is LGPL-3. Also the packaging license does not have the "or
any later" so upstream or anyone deriving from it would be unable to
switch to a LGPL-4 (if such a license is ever created).

If this is what you intended, then that is fine. I just want to be sure
that you are aware of the consequence here.Pedantry is fine! I've updated the package in both svn and on mentors to
use LGPL-2.1 or later.

Thanks,
AndyUploaded, thanks for your contribution.

Note I altered the wording in d/copyright - I figured it was not worth
another email exchange. :)Sorry to be late to the party, but is this any different to libcsv-java, which
I've already packaged?

MattHi Matt,Sorry, it appears it's the same package. I'd searched for the filejavacsv.jar in the archives, but didn't find it because your packagebuilds csv.jar whereas the upstream build process builds javacsv.jar.Is there a way to remove my package from the pending uploads queue?

Thanks,
Andy


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#10 Jan. 7, 2011 00:27:24

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On 24/12/10 14:40, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> On Fri Dec 24 14:36, Andrew Ross wrote:
>> Hi Matt,
>>
>> Sorry, it appears it's the same package. I'd searched for the file
>> javacsv.jar in the archives, but didn't find it because your package
>> builds csv.jar whereas the upstream build process builds javacsv.jar.
>>
>> Is there a way to remove my package from the pending uploads queue?
>
> Email ftp-master, I think. If you want to take over maintenance of this
> package
> I'm more than happy for you to do so.
>
> Matt

OK, I've had my package removed from the upload queue. I've prepared an
update to your libcsv-java package which splits the documentation into a
separate package. This avoids pulling in default-jdk-doc just to use the
library.

I've uploaded it to mentors.debian.net:

- URL:http://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/libcsv-java- dgethttp://mentors.debian.net/debian/pool/main/l/libcsv-java/libcsv-java_2.0-11.dscMatt, since you are familiar with the package would you be willing to
sponsor it?

Thanks,
Andy


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