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#1 June 23, 2010 08:06:12

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On 23/06/2010 04:11, matt.vandewer***@*siro.au wrote:Ubuntu 10.04 has avr-gcc and avr-libc to the same patch level as
winavr, AFAIK. Apart from that, better editors, better shell, better
serial terminal support, makes for a better avr experience IMO. The
only downside is that you have to write your own Makefiles, but I do
that anyway.That's good to hear. I haven't tried avr-gcc on my Ubuntu machine asyet - partly because it's important be consistent about releases of thecompiler and library, and using WinAVR is a very easy way to keep thesethings consistent.I know this is a little off-topic, but perhaps it's of interest toothers in this thread - what do you use for serial terminals, since youmentioned them? I've only used minicom so far. It works, but it's likea step back to the DOS days compared to Tera Term Pro on windows.mvh.,

DavidLe 07/06/2010 18:13, Graham Davies a écrit :Me Again: Actually, it's so easy now that I have a hard time
imagining it being easier. The only tricky thing is that you can't
install WinAVR to a path that has a space character in it, such as
"Program Files", but even that doesn't bite me as I nLite my
Windows installations so that programs install to a folder called
"Programs". Even my customers seem to be able to install AVR Studio
and WinAVR to work together without a hitch.It's still tricky to have WinAVR quality on Linux, I hope the next
tool/organization will also package a WinAVR quality gcc for
Linux...

Bernard

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#2 June 23, 2010 08:56:23

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Hi David,


> I know this is a little off-topic, but perhaps it's of interest to
> others in this thread - what do you use for serial terminals, since you
> mentioned them? I've only used minicom so far. It works, but it's like
> a step back to the DOS days compared to Tera Term Pro on windows.




I've had a nice experience with uCon, its a nice replacement for HyperTerminal.
It provides basic services typically used during embedded system development...
TFTP client/server, DHCP server, serial command scripting, and even a terminal
server that allows you to access the PC's serial port remotely via telnet.
Unfortunately, like HyperTerminal, it only runs on Windows.


Check it out here:http://www.umonfw.com/ucon/index.htmlRegards.

Samkelo.

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#3 June 23, 2010 10:24:41

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On 23/06/2010 09:31, samkelo tyatyantsi wrote:Hi David,

> I know this is a little off-topic, but perhaps it's of interest to
> others in this thread - what do you use for serial terminals, since you
> mentioned them? I've only used minicom so far. It works, but it's like
> a step back to the DOS days compared to Tera Term Pro on windows.


I've had a nice experience with uCon, its a nice replacement for
HyperTerminal. It provides basic services typically used during embedded
system development... TFTP client/server, DHCP server, serial command
scripting, and even a terminal server that allows you to access the PC's
serial port remotely via telnet. Unfortunately, like HyperTerminal, it
only runs on Windows.

Check it out here:http://www.umonfw.com/ucon/index.htmlAlmost anything, including 20 years old Procomm for DOS, makes a goodalternative to HyperTerminal IMHO. I know of a number of good terminalprograms for Windows (I use Tera Term Pro mostly, but uCon also looksnice). What I am interested in here is alternatives to minicom for Linux.mvh.,

David


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#4 June 23, 2010 11:06:43

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David Brown wrote:
> What I am interested in here is alternatives to minicom for Linux.

On the command line I use picocom. It is less powerful than minicom, but I
find it more reliable. With minicom I had several issues when I thought I
had changed a setting and found out that in reality it was not applied to
the serial device.

As a GUI client I use cutecom, which is a very basic, but functional
client, inspired by Bray Terminal.

HTH
Thomas

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#5 June 23, 2010 15:09:48

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On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 11:01 +0200, David Brown wrote:
> Almost anything, including 20 years old Procomm for DOS, makes a good
> alternative to HyperTerminal IMHO. I know of a number of good terminal
> programs for Windows (I use Tera Term Pro mostly, but uCon also looks
> nice). What I am interested in here is alternatives to minicom for Linux.
>
Give PuTTY a try.

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#6 June 23, 2010 16:18:39

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On Wed, 2010-06-23 at 09:49 -0500, David Kelly wrote:
> PuTTY *on* Linux? PuTTY *to* Linux works great but I don't see any point
> in a PuTTY on Linux as telnet and/or ssh running in a terminal window
> does what PuTTY does for Windows.
>
Yes, PuTTY on Linux. Use the serial port settings and your on your way.

> For serial terminal duty my first choice on FreeBSD and MacOS X is
> Kermit. Its simple and does the job right the first time. A simple
> understandable ~/.kermrc dumbs it down to where it works Just Right:
>
> set line /dev/cuaa0
> set speed 9600
> set flow none
> set carrier off
> connect
>
ckermit on Linux does the same thing.

> The "set carrier off" is most of the magic necessary to work with a 3
> wire serial cable.
>
In minicom set NO for hardware flow control.

> This email was composed in vim and sent with mutt on FreeBSD via an ssh
> connection originating in a Terminal.app window on Mac OS X 10.6.4.
>
So you like torture.

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#7 June 23, 2010 17:57:57

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install pyserial

sudo easy_install pyserial

and you get a minicom like tool with that, miniterm.py

Then you also can script tour serial port with python.....
On Jun 23, 2010, at 12:05 AM, David Brown wrote:

> On 23/06/2010 04:11, matt.vandewer***@*siro.au wrote:
>> Ubuntu 10.04 has avr-gcc and avr-libc to the same patch level as
>> winavr, AFAIK. Apart from that, better editors, better shell, better
>> serial terminal support, makes for a better avr experience IMO. The
>> only downside is that you have to write your own Makefiles, but I do
>> that anyway.
>>
>
> That's good to hear. I haven't tried avr-gcc on my Ubuntu machine as yet -
> partly because it's important be consistent about releases of the compiler
> and library, and using WinAVR is a very easy way to keep these things
> consistent.
>
> I know this is a little off-topic, but perhaps it's of interest to others in
> this thread - what do you use for serial terminals, since you mentioned them?
> I've only used minicom so far. It works, but it's like a step back to the
> DOS days compared to Tera Term Pro on windows.
>
> mvh.,
>
> David
>
>
>>
>>
>> Le 07/06/2010 18:13, Graham Davies a écrit :
>>>
>>> Me Again: Actually, it's so easy now that I have a hard time
>>> imagining it being easier. The only tricky thing is that you can't
>>> install WinAVR to a path that has a space character in it, such as
>>> "Program Files", but even that doesn't bite me as I nLite my
>>> Windows installations so that programs install to a folder called
>>> "Programs". Even my customers seem to be able to install AVR Studio
>>> and WinAVR to work together without a hitch.
>>>
>> It's still tricky to have WinAVR quality on Linux, I hope the next
>> tool/organization will also package a WinAVR quality gcc for
>> Linux...
>>
>> Bernard
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#8 June 23, 2010 19:01:02

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Hi All,

Can you guys please move the "terminal" discussion to avr-chat, and change the
subject line?

Thanks,
Eric

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>
> install pyserial
>
> sudo easy_install pyserial
>
> and you get a minicom like tool with that, miniterm.py
>
> Then you also can script tour serial port with python.....
> On Jun 23, 2010, at 12:05 AM, David Brown wrote:
>
> > On 23/06/2010 04:11, matt.vandewer***@*siro.au wrote:
> >> Ubuntu 10.04 has avr-gcc and avr-libc to the same patch level as
> >> winavr, AFAIK. Apart from that, better editors, better
> shell, better
> >> serial terminal support, makes for a better avr experience IMO. The
> >> only downside is that you have to write your own
> Makefiles, but I do
> >> that anyway.
> >>
> >
> > That's good to hear. I haven't tried avr-gcc on my Ubuntu
> machine as yet - partly because it's important be consistent
> about releases of the compiler and library, and using WinAVR
> is a very easy way to keep these things consistent.
> >
> > I know this is a little off-topic, but perhaps it's of
> interest to others in this thread - what do you use for
> serial terminals, since you mentioned them? I've only used
> minicom so far. It works, but it's like a step back to the
> DOS days compared to Tera Term Pro on windows.
> >
> > mvh.,
> >
> > David
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> Le 07/06/2010 18:13, Graham Davies a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> Me Again: Actually, it's so easy now that I have a hard time
> >>> imagining it being easier. The only tricky thing is that
> you can't
> >>> install WinAVR to a path that has a space character in it, such as
> >>> "Program Files", but even that doesn't bite me as I nLite my
> >>> Windows installations so that programs install to a folder called
> >>> "Programs". Even my customers seem to be able to install
> AVR Studio
> >>> and WinAVR to work together without a hitch.
> >>>
> >> It's still tricky to have WinAVR quality on Linux, I hope the next
> >> tool/organization will also package a WinAVR quality gcc for
> >> Linux...
> >>
> >> Bernard
> >>
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