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#1 Nov. 1, 2005 00:16:13

Ian H.
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I want to start a django project for a forum


is anyone else interested in joining? I was thinking of similar to
what phpBB does.

If so I propose we open up a sourceforge project, or perhaps we could
even host it on code.djangoproject.com if they let us ;-)

any volunteers?

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Ian

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#2 Nov. 1, 2005 01:05:23

Robert W.
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Ian Holsman wrote:
> is anyone else interested in joining? I was thinking of similar to
> what phpBB does.
>
> If so I propose we open up a sourceforge project, or perhaps we could
> even host it on code.djangoproject.com if they let us ;-)
>
> any volunteers?
>
> regards
> Ian
>
> --
> -- ++61-3-9877-0909
> If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough. -
> Mario Andretti
>

I certainly think it would be a good idea to build up a bunch of
composable apps that can be integrated into a site.

It would be cool to develop these as community components, so that if
someone wants to add a particular bit of functionality to their site,
there is one obvious way to do it. Not to preclude other approaches, but
to provide a "safe default" method.

I'd be happy to contribute to things like this, time allowing, as I'm
sure it will come in useful. There was some concern about conflict
between World Online hosting certain kinds of apps and selling
Ellington. Anyway, some other people have Trac installations
and I'm sure someone would host it if necessary. Anything is better than
sourceforge in my experience...

I think a good first step would be to hash out a concrete set of
requirements on the wiki.

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#3 Nov. 1, 2005 01:06:25

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I might be interested (rolled my own phpBB/AcmlmBoard/etc/etc-likeforum in PHP about five years ago, only got about 75% done but it wasstill fun) but I, and probably others, might want to know more aboutwhat you have in mind before we join up.Such as: why do we need yet another forum? ;) What can we offer byusing Python/Django that the PHP-based boards don't have? Stuff likethat :)Regards,
Jeff

On Oct 31, 2005, at 7:16 PM, Ian Holsman wrote:is anyone else interested in joining? I was thinking of similar to
what phpBB does.

If so I propose we open up a sourceforge project, or perhaps we could
even host it on code.djangoproject.com if they let us ;-)

any volunteers?

regards
Ian

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#4 Nov. 1, 2005 01:14:25

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I want to start a django project for a forum


basic reason on why I brought this up now.

1. promote django
2. latest security patch for phpBB was just announced

3. and I think the world does need a alternative designed with
security in mind from the start.

4. lack of non-PHP solutions. I know of several people who refuse to
put php code on their servers

5. most 'community' style applications would need a 'forum' component.
having one which is directly pluggable into the django way of doing
things would allow easier integration with other django components
like for example a review and rating component, or a tagging
component, or a CMS component.

so ideally if this actually came off, and was usable I can see
developing other 'parts' to a generic 'community' application which
could be use. (in django)

On 11/1/05, Jeffrey E. Forcier <> wrote:
>
> I might be interested (rolled my own phpBB/AcmlmBoard/etc/etc-like
> forum in PHP about five years ago, only got about 75% done but it was
> still fun) but I, and probably others, might want to know more about
> what you have in mind before we join up.
>
> Such as: why do we need yet another forum? ;) What can we offer by
> using Python/Django that the PHP-based boards don't have? Stuff like
> that :)
>
> Regards,
> Jeff
>
> On Oct 31, 2005, at 7:16 PM, Ian Holsman wrote:
>
> >
> > is anyone else interested in joining? I was thinking of similar to
> > what phpBB does.
> >
> > If so I propose we open up a sourceforge project, or perhaps we could
> > even host it on code.djangoproject.com if they let us ;-)
> >
> > any volunteers?
> >
> > regards
> > Ian
> >
> > --
> > -- ++61-3-9877-0909
> > If everything seems under control, you're not going fast enough. -
> > Mario Andretti
> >
>
>
> --
> Jeffrey E. Forcier
> Junior Developer, Research and Development
> Stroz Friedberg, LLC
> 15 Maiden Lane, 12th Floor
> New York, NY 10038
> 212-981-6540 212-981-6546
>http://www.strozllc.com>
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> not the intended recipient.
>
>


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#5 Nov. 1, 2005 01:35:07

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I want to start a django project for a forum


On 10/31/05, Ian Holsman <> wrote:
> is anyone else interested in joining? I was thinking of similar to
> what phpBB does.
>
> If so I propose we open up a sourceforge project, or perhaps we could
> even host it on code.djangoproject.com if they let us ;-)

I'd be happy to help! Note that the World Online forum application
(e.g.http://www2.ljworld.com/forums/) is just a light wrapper around
the django.contrib.comments framework, which ships with Django.
Writing a basic forum app is easy. The hard part will be integrating
*all* the various features that people want.

Adrian

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#6 Nov. 1, 2005 01:46:36

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On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:16:14 +1100 Ian Holsman wrote:

>
> is anyone else interested in joining? I was thinking of similar to
> what phpBB does.
>
> If so I propose we open up a sourceforge project, or perhaps we could
> even host it on code.djangoproject.com if they let us ;-)
>
> any volunteers?

If you need a bbcode parser that outputs valid XHTML, I have one that I
wrote for my current Django project (surprisingly, I couldn't find one
written in python on the 'net, and all the PHP ones I found generated
tag soup).

But, like Jeffrey said, do we need yet another forum, especially if
it's just a clone?

I think there can be good reasons for writing your own forum. My
current Django project has a message board system that
1) is quite a bit simpler and less intimidating than phpBB,
2) includes features specific to my site,
3) is fairly tightly integrated into the rest of the site.
These things make the forum I've written not at all suitable for re-use
as a standalone project.

In short, if I wanted a standalone project I can just drop in, I'd use
phpBB (or similar). If I need something much more integrated, I'm
going to write it myself, as a generic forum system probably isn't going
to cut it, even if it's written in Django. I guess there could be a
case for some writing some Django models and views that would be easy to
drop in to any other Django app, but you would have to think carefully
about how you designed them I think.

Luke

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"I'm at peace with the world. I'm completely serene. I know why I was
put here and why everything exists. I am here so everybody can do what
I want. Once everybody accepts it, they'll be serene too." (Calvin and
Hobbes)

Luke Plant || L.Plant.98 (at) cantab.net ||http://lukeplant.me.uk/

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#7 Nov. 1, 2005 02:50:31

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On Oct 31, 2005, at 8:14 PM, Ian Holsman wrote:1. promote djangoAlways a good thing :)2. latest security patch for phpBB was just announced

3. and I think the world does need a alternative designed with
security in mind from the start.On reflection, I definitely overlooked this--if someone were to comeup and ask me what forum software is good to use (and this hashappened before, actually) I honestly wouldn't know what to suggestother than "phpBB, but make damn sure you patch as often as you can,and hope you don't get cracked in the interim".5. most 'community' style applications would need a 'forum' component.
having one which is directly pluggable into the django way of doing
things would allow easier integration with other django components
like for example a review and rating component, or a tagging
component, or a CMS component.

so ideally if this actually came off, and was usable I can see
developing other 'parts' to a generic 'community' application which
could be use. (in django)If you pull this, Robert's and Luke's comments together, I thinkthere's definitely enough meat to more than rebuke any devil's-advocate opposition to such a project :) In fact, if done properly, Idaresay it could become a real powerhouse in the online forums world(inertia of PHP and its assorted products/hosting supportnotwithstanding).I haven't had the time/need to play with the existing Django codethat Adrian mentioned, aside from noticing it here and there in thesource, but like he says,Writing a basic forum app is easy. The hard part will be integrating
*all* the various features that people want.which brings us back to everyone else's comments. Anyway, likebefore, I'd be glad to help when I have time.Looking forward to more discussion and *gasp* maybe some actual work,
Jeff

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#8 Nov. 3, 2005 05:14:11

Ian H.
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Hi Luke.

my aim is not to do a drop-in replacement for a phpBB. but more for
integrating discussions into other parts of applications, and to do
this I think it needs to in django.

I have got a wiki page up,http://wiki.zilbo.com/ForumDesign(yes it
took me this long to get the silly thing running) to put a list of
features up. and just to flesh out the idea a bit more..

I don't think this needs to be a 'phpbb' killer to be successful, just
something which can:
- be used as a sample of how to build a django app
- be used/dropped into your django app easily.

my main use for this would be for me to write applications like
mp3.com and tv.com.

On 11/1/05, Luke Plant <> wrote:
>
> On Tue, 1 Nov 2005 11:16:14 +1100 Ian Holsman wrote:
>
> >
> > is anyone else interested in joining? I was thinking of similar to
> > what phpBB does.
> >
> > If so I propose we open up a sourceforge project, or perhaps we could
> > even host it on code.djangoproject.com if they let us ;-)
> >
> > any volunteers?
>
> If you need a bbcode parser that outputs valid XHTML, I have one that I
> wrote for my current Django project (surprisingly, I couldn't find one
> written in python on the 'net, and all the PHP ones I found generated
> tag soup).
>
> But, like Jeffrey said, do we need yet another forum, especially if
> it's just a clone?
>
> I think there can be good reasons for writing your own forum. My
> current Django project has a message board system that
> 1) is quite a bit simpler and less intimidating than phpBB,
> 2) includes features specific to my site,
> 3) is fairly tightly integrated into the rest of the site.
> These things make the forum I've written not at all suitable for re-use
> as a standalone project.
>
> In short, if I wanted a standalone project I can just drop in, I'd use
> phpBB (or similar). If I need something much more integrated, I'm
> going to write it myself, as a generic forum system probably isn't going
> to cut it, even if it's written in Django. I guess there could be a
> case for some writing some Django models and views that would be easy to
> drop in to any other Django app, but you would have to think carefully
> about how you designed them I think.
>
> Luke
>
> --
> "I'm at peace with the world. I'm completely serene. I know why I was
> put here and why everything exists. I am here so everybody can do what
> I want. Once everybody accepts it, they'll be serene too." (Calvin and
> Hobbes)
>
> Luke Plant || L.Plant.98 (at) cantab.net ||http://lukeplant.me.uk/>


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#9 Nov. 3, 2005 18:46:34

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On 11/3/05, Ian Holsman <> wrote:
>
> Hi Luke.
>
> my aim is not to do a drop-in replacement for a phpBB. but more for
> integrating discussions into other parts of applications, and to do
> this I think it needs to in django.
>
> I have got a wiki page up,http://wiki.zilbo.com/ForumDesign(yes it
> took me this long to get the silly thing running) to put a list of
> features up. and just to flesh out the idea a bit more..
>
> I don't think this needs to be a 'phpbb' killer to be successful, just
> something which can:
> - be used as a sample of how to build a django app
> - be used/dropped into your django app easily.
>

You may want to check out the approach they took on this project:http://getvanilla.com/Its in php, but I'd say its the only forum interface I didn't mind
using. They were "thinking outside the box" when they developed that
package. Perhaps it could provide some inspiration.


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#10 Nov. 3, 2005 19:24:43

Ian M.
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I would like to volunteer to help wherever I can.
-ian

On 11/3/05, Waylan Limberg <> wrote:
>
> On 11/3/05, Ian Holsman <> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Luke.
> >
> > my aim is not to do a drop-in replacement for a phpBB. but more for
> > integrating discussions into other parts of applications, and to do
> > this I think it needs to in django.
> >
> > I have got a wiki page up,http://wiki.zilbo.com/ForumDesign(yes it
> > took me this long to get the silly thing running) to put a list of
> > features up. and just to flesh out the idea a bit more..
> >
> > I don't think this needs to be a 'phpbb' killer to be successful, just
> > something which can:
> > - be used as a sample of how to build a django app
> > - be used/dropped into your django app easily.
> >
>
> You may want to check out the approach they took on this project:
>http://getvanilla.com/> Its in php, but I'd say its the only forum interface I didn't mind
> using. They were "thinking outside the box" when they developed that
> package. Perhaps it could provide some inspiration.
>
>
> --
> ----
> Waylan Limberg
>
>

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