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#1 Nov. 28, 2005 15:40:27

Jason G.
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[PHP-DEV] Something (was: Re: [PHP-DEV] Re: Labeled Breaks (not the G-word))


Hello Zeev,

I would like to point out that PHP has been changing over the last
few years from a language that Rasmus used for his online resume to
an enterprise grade application development language. I've
personally watched it go from PHP3 -> PHP4 -> PHP5, and *much*
anticipate the future releases because they empower me and my
company to do so many things that were previously not possible or
very difficult. OO, for example, aids us greatly in implementing
business logic, but I would hate to use it for *everything*.

Please don't lose sight of where PHP is going. There are *alot* of
experienced programmers who crave more powerful features that they
previously emulated or worked around. On the other hand, there are
tons of people who still include($_GET) or put untrusted
input straight into a database query.

Ignorant people will be ignorant. Giving them the truth about
these matters is the best way to fight it, not to take away highly
useful features from the people who could really use them.

From:http://zend.com/company/overview.php"As the meteoric growth of PHP continues, it is clear
that it has become a relevant and significant development
language. Any corporation building enterprise-grade
applications would be wise to consider the open source
development platform as a strong competitor to traditional
commercial solutions."

I personally like MySQL's methodology of adding many features, but
not sacrificing speed, stability, or security.

Thanks.

PS: This whole issue strangely reminds me ofhttp://slashdot.org/articles/04/01/08/0111228.shtml?tid=152&tid=185--
Best regards,
Jason




Sunday, November 27, 2005, 3:54:43 PM, you wrote:

ZS> At 22:18 27/11/2005, Nicolas Bérard Nault wrote:
>>Goto exists in C. If you affirm that goto should
>>not exist in PHP because it gives the
>>opportunity to screw their code to programmers,
>>are you also affirming that C programmers are smarter than PHP programmers ?

ZS> I wouldn't make any statement regarding the
ZS> intelligence level of C and PHP developers, since
ZS> there are plenty of idiots and smart people on
ZS> both camps; It has everything to do with
ZS> training and experience. And the training and
ZS> experience levels of the average PHP developer is
ZS> nowhere near that of the average C/C++ developer.

ZS> Sorry for repeating it for the 1001st time in the
ZS> few years, but PHP did not get to where it is
ZS> today because we added everything and the kitchen
ZS> sink, that's Perl. I would *really* be great if
ZS> people realized that PHP the way it is now is
ZS> successful, but it's not inherent to the PHP
ZS> project. Not every bunch of features we pack
ZS> under the name "PHP" will retain this level of success.

ZS> We *can* screw it if we go in the wrong
ZS> direction, and adding redundant features which
ZS> are useful in rare cases and much more likely to
ZS> be abused than to be properly used is a good step
ZS> in that direction. A lot of people are saying we
ZS> already went too far with PHP 5, and that's
ZS> arguable. It's clear, however, that adding more
ZS> and more language features and making PHP more
ZS> and more complex is not a good recipe.

ZS> Zeev

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